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Article Dedication

in honor of

Jack Delano & Alvin Langdon Coburn

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Years ago I had written to a photo collector that impressed me with an article they had written. I offered them a present of a couple of 11 x 14 prints of any of my photos. They wrote back saying they didn’t want anything since they never heard of me.

If they said they didn’t like my photos, that is fine. But to only go by a name told me the anal photo collector is more interested in collecting names and signatures than in the love of photography and the actual image itself.

Unsigned photos are not worth much. An ‘unsigned’ vintage contact print by Lewis Hine sold for $110.16 in January 2017.

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I’ve seen some very shitty work out there priced in the thousands of dollars just because of a name and signature. If your idolized by the art world, even your shit is golden.

Here is one of Winogrand’s beauties with a price tag of $3500.00 in 2017. The signature is worth more than the photo, if it was an unsigned Winogrand it may sell for $25 to $35. If it wasn’t by Winogrand, it would not even be worth $5.

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/generic-photography-is-pretty-much-worthless-nowadays/

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Towards the end of Winogrand’s life he had a driver cart him around L.A.’s Miracle Mile while he shot thousands of random photos out of the car window of anyone on the street.

Winogrand didn’t care what he signed his name to, virtually any photo would do. All he cared about was printing $. Once Winogrand learned he could print $ he went on a shooting spree taking over a million photos…of garbage.

Here is one from Robert Frank with an asking price of $9000 in 2017.

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If the print was not by Frank and signed…it would not even be worth $5.

Here are 2 unsigned vintage 1967 Vietnam era photos by Eddie Adams. They are printed on 1 sheet and sold for $32 (including shipping) in 2017.

Below is a signed, dye transfer print of The Who by Jim Marshall. It is priced at $7000 in 2017.

If it was unsigned it may bring a few hundred dollars. If it was not by Jim Marshall, then probably less.

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Wow, we sure were limited with the IQ in the film days. Goddamn that stuff was fuzzy…wasn’t it.

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Well, nowadays we got it much easier with digital…

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Little Dicky selction from The Americans …60 years after Frank by Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

If Marshall had shot Little Dicky it would sell for thousands. Same exact photo but without the Marshall signature and name…it is worthless according to the anal photo collector that collects names over photos.

Now, speaking of dye transfer prints, let me tell you a little about them…generic dye transfer prints are not worth much. You can pick up vintage dye transfer prints like this one below for $5 to $10 each or less. I had bought a group of 25 vintage 1950’s dye transfer prints for my archival collection for $65.

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From Dye Transfer Printing from the 1950’s – Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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From Dye Stability Testing of Color Imaging Media: Edition II by Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

If you do collect dye transfer prints, don’t display them. The above 1950’s samples were exposed to 6 months of sunlight. The dye transfer prints started to fade noticeably in 3 months of sun exposure.

But dye transfer prints do have good dark storage fade resistance. So don’t hang your $7,000 Jim Marshall dye transfer print on the wall or it will fade on you. Always hang a facsimile copy of your photo to display. Dye transfer prints are some of the worse color imaging media for dye stability there is.

Well, lets get back to black and white…

Below is an unsigned, later, 8 x 10 inch print of Weegee’s Lovers at Palace Theater. It sold for $26.50 including shipping in 2016.

If it was vintage and had Weegee’s signature, it would be worth tens of thousands of dollars. Weegee’s signed, vintage work sells for $15,000 to $45,000 per photo on average.

Below is an unsigned photo by Alfred Eisenstaedt of starving cattle in Jaipur, India. It sold in 2017 for $50 including shipping.

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With my work as a curator for The Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection, most of the photos I acquire are unsigned and the photog is unknown. I don’t care who shot the photo – all I care about is the image…

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

The Flappers artists' book 2016 by Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

If the diver was shot by Winogrand and signed it would be worth many thousand $. But in 2016, being unknown and unsigned, it was $1 at a swapmeet .

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

If the political convention was shot by Robert Frank, was signed and was part of his Americans project it would be worth hundreds of thousands of $. One of Frank’s vintage photos from the Americans sold for near 3/4 of a million $. And that was a while back, prices have gone up since then. Same photo, being what it is, without the Frank signature and pedigree, sells for $3 in 2017.

http://www.brianappelart.com/art_writing_robert_frank_2007_oct_17.htm

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

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Daniel D. Teoli Jr. Archival Collection

While it is nice, there is no need to know the author of a photo unless your an anal photo collector…iconic images always stand on their own.

The other benefit to building a collection of unknown, found photography is that it can be done on a very meager budget. Many of the photos I acquire cost just a few dollars each or less.

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From Girls of the Beat Generation

A forthcoming 6 volume artist’s book series by social documentary photographer Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2016/04/21/girls-of-the-beat-generation-artists-book/

A complete list of artist’s books by Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2016/03/07/artists-books-by-daniel-d-teoli-jr-2/

De Wallen Graffiti 2014 Daniel D. Teoli Jr.